Group paddle weekend of 10/11th Sept - all welcome

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Fishdejour
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Group paddle weekend of 10/11th Sept - all welcome

Post by Fishdejour » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:38 pm

Hi folks.

A group of us packrafters are doing a paddle on the Eucumbene River on the 11th Sept. It is a great grade 3 paddle (with one grade 4 section that can be portaged if need be). With snow melt the levels should be good. We will also be doing the lower Thredbo the previous arvo (10th) which is easy grade 2 paddling from the Trout Hatchery to the lake. All/any packrafters would be welcome to join us on either or both paddles. We will probably camp or van share at Lake Eucumbene on the Saturday night. Great chance to meet a few of the other packrafters, have a group paddle with plenty of fun and laughs and even become a Youtube packraft star :-). Any intrest, let me know, I will post logistic closer to the paddle date.

http://www.adventurepro.com.au/paddleau ... =Eucumbene

Cheers
Steve
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Post by Jules Watson » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:43 pm

Steve - I take it your new rig has arrived ? I'm a maybe, will have to see what I can shuffle for work, been busy as fork lately with 6:30 starts and 7:00pm finishes for too long..... makes a bloke want to get out into the real (outdoor) world. By at Eucumbene do you mean Providence ? I may be able to assist if you want something b/w the Thredbo and the Eucumbene, if ya knows what i means !

Anyone a possible who might be looking to leave on a Thurs or Fri evening from Sinny or the Gong ? Be good to share the drive and fuel and not leave the missus carless for a weekend.

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Post by Fishdejour » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:32 am

Jules

Would be just fab to have you down for a paddle, pleeease come, has been too long and sounds like you really need it. The Dam Digs would be grand if your coming if not I was thinking Providence, mabye share a van (and a few beers and a some of Begas finest organic free range Berkshire Pork?). Peter and another Coaster (Mathew) are coming.

I think Duncan is in a few minds about coming down from Sinny, perhaps he may wanna share the drive/fuel. Ducan??

Looking forward to paddling the new raft design in the bubbles, the spray deck may even prevent a few of my usual swims :-)

Steve

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Re: Group paddle weekend of 10/11th Sept - all welcome

Post by chrisp » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:35 am

Hi Steve, I think I am going to struggle to get there :(

Here's my river description of the Euc (based on about 6 runs down at various levels).

Starting at the bridge that crosses the Eucumbene...and pulling out at the camping area at then end of the dirt road (umm forget the name of this).

Takes (in a kayak) exactly 2 hours (moving pretty quick I suppose). The first half is all grade 1 and maybe Grade 2...fast flowing the hwole way, so its pretty cruisy with nothing to worry about...except Suicide Hole. SH sounds worse than it is...but it comes up pretty quick (about 5-7 minutes into the paddle). It'd be easy to get swept into it, if you blissing out at the scenery instead of whats in front of you. SH is nothing like the rest of the rapids encountered in teh 2 nd half of the trip (through the gorge part). SH is a sluicy, narrow thing. But I think its name is maybe worse than the reality of it.

After an hour (kayak time) the river swings sharply right and, if you arent paying attention, you'll get swept into the first rapid, which is long, mid Grade 3, and starts with a 1m drop (the first picture attached). Its a longinsh rapid, and due to the nature of it (and the other rapids) swimming would not be eaps of fun (as it is a bit sievey). This rapid is a very good replicate of the next five rapids. These are the main gorge rapids, and are sort of the same, size, nature and difficulty of the first one. Better exit here if it looks too exciting to continue.

After the five or so rapids, it peters out for the rest of the trip, but only slightly. Its pretty fun Grade 3 all the way to the end (with it petering out a little more right near the end to Grade 2). Having said that, a few larger rapids spring up just as you are starting to relax (you can see the gradient rise up a little), but they are all pretty clean.

Give me a call if you want any more info....AND.....have GREAT TIME!!!! Looking forward to the trip report!
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Re: Group paddle weekend of 10/11th Sept - all welcome

Post by Fishdejour » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:10 am

Hey Chris, thanks for the heads up (great pics), shame you can't make it. I will let you know when we book up the next paddle (prolly Tuross) , hope you can join us then. I will give you a call before we paddle the Euc and get a little more detailed heads up on the river. Do you think Euc is too difficult for a new paddler?? (we have one guy that has not paddled before?). Happy to portage stuff though, are they easy walk rounds? If it looks like being too high we may go up and do the Tooma as we have done that before and know what we will get for our money there.

Steve

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Post by chrisp » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:10 am

The first bit would be sweet for a beginner. If you had time, check out the dirt road off to the left (heading upstream toward the put in) right near the hut (the new one on the left as you are heading north). This road winds down to the river, above the Gorge. Leave a car there, drive to the put in., and get going. Get the beginner to pull out there at the car (which will be visible from the river), and have him/her drive to the bottom...leaving you to run the gorge! A beginner in the gorge could be a bad experience...expecially if its cold (which the water certainly will be). To walk around the rapids would not be impossilbe, but a little time consuming...meaning a cold wait for everyone else. Worse still, swimming the gorge rapids, I reckon, is a bit fraught, as it is a bit seivey I reckon....and its moves pretty quick, so a swim could be a long-ish one. It should be great! PS I would love to do the Tuross!

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Post by Fishdejour » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:44 am

Thanks for that Chris, I might put this one off as I am a little concerned about the grade 4 stuff with the amount of rain we have had (and are predicted to get) plus the snow melt. Better to be cautious. Euc may be a better paddle when it warms up a bit and the levels are below medium. There are numerous other waters we can paddle instead, I will post an update.

Have you had your new raft in the water yet?

Tuross is good at at between .9 and 1.4
http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDN60234/IDN6 ... .plt.shtml
I have done it several times from .85 up to 1.35 and it is perfect packraft water. Keep an eye on the level and give me a yell if you can get away when it's right.

Steve

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Re: Group paddle weekend of 10/11th Sept - all welcome

Post by Jules Watson » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:19 pm

Plus, after the LWE, we can fish the river as well !

Will call ya this w/e Stevo.

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Post by Fishdejour » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:11 am

Jules

I was away all weekend with no phone coverage, will give you a call @ work on turdsday.

S.

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Post by Craig » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:53 am

I'm interested, depending on where you're going to paddle. There's some good water for beginners around Tom Groggin, it's easy to do multiple runs in a day there as the car shuffle is quite short. The Swampy Plains River through Devils Grip Gorge could be worthwhile, though I haven't paddled this before.

Will be coming from Victoria so if anyone is interested in sharing a car then let me know.

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Post by Fishdejour » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:38 am

Craig,

At the moment we are looking at the Tooma River (10km walk in and a continuous grade 2/3+ paddle out with a flat water strech at the end back to the begining) or the Tuross River which is a good 23km grade2/3+ paddle with a car shuffle. We will decide when we get a bit closer depending on water levels. Have three possibly four starters thus far.

Steve

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Post by Craig » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:46 pm

Usually the Khancocan to Cabramurra Road is closed until October, so access to the Tooma could be an issue?

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Post by Jules Watson » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:34 pm

fishdejour - I think craig will be right. It's not usually opened before the LWE, and even then if it requires an effort to clear it they leave it shut. Maybe call Parks at Tumut ? Our last few paddles and walks have been after the LWE.

Tom Groggin or Tuross then ?

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Post by Fishdejour » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:50 am

It is not looking like we will get enough rain for Tuross at this stage altgough it is sitting at .8 so it would not take much.....I forgot about the closed roads up Tomma way, bugger. I guess there is a problem getting over to the TG'n (Murray R) with roads over the top from Thredbo?

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Post by Jules Watson » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:41 am

Naaahhh, Alpine Way will be fine. Will legally be required to carry chains if not in an 4WD though. If I can manage a lift I reckon we can go Casa del Euco.

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Post by Craig » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:34 am

Yeah and don't worry about paying park entry either, just ask for a transit pass at the gate as the NPWS ticket inspectors rarely venture past Thredbo.

The Tuross sounds pretty sweet if the level gets high enough. Where are the put in and take out points?

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Post by Fishdejour » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:10 pm

Jules, Duncan is not coming down from Sinny so you would have to find your way down to Cooma? I would pick you up there? It is not looking likely that we will get the rain required to do Tuross. If levels stay low and we get no rain then the Euc may be doable still and we could get Mathew to walk any bits he is concerned about paddling.

Craig what are the details on the Swampy or the Murray paddling?

I will chase the GPS co-ords for the Tuross for you, the access is a bit sketchy as it is in the middle of nowhere on creek junctions with the river, I know where it is but it is hard to explain other than gps points. I have done Tuross about 4 times now and it is a fantastic packraft river well worth paddling. We are planing to do from the falls down later in spring, a section not previously done.

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Post by Craig » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:00 pm

Steve, for the Indi (Upper Murray) you put in and take out in the vicinity of the Tom Groggin picnic area, around 25km west of Thredbo. There are two options for the put in; a 2km walk in from the Alpine Way on an old vehicle track, or put in at the southernmost point of the picnic area (accessible by car). Take out is at the bridge providing access to Tom Groggin Station itself. It's about 4km of river, with an optional extra 4km with the walk in. Car shuffle is 5-10 mins each way for either option.

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We paddled the river last year in a big raft, it's fairly straightforward (grade 1/2 max) but should be fun with beginners and packrafts, which make the wave trains fun! There is one good clean grade 3 rapid just before the take out.

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Further downstream of the take out you can paddle through to Grassy Flat (another 4-5km downstream, then 1.5km walk out) or Murray Gates trail (additional 3km past Grassy Flat, then 2.8km walk out). Whilst the river is quite scenic in this section, from memory it doesn't offer any decent rapids so I suggest we're better off sticking to Tom Groggin itself, and doing a couple of runs if desired.

Downstream of the Murray Gates trail is the Murray Gates itself. This is serious whitewater and not something to be undertaken lightly (grade 4 rapids in a very remote location). Best left to another day.

For the Swampy you put in a the picnic area at Geehi (and pull out near Khancoban. Paddle Australia description: http://adventurepro.com.au/paddleaustra ... ainsriver3 and a trip report and video here: http://www.whitehorsecanoeclub.com/News ... 02010.html

Could also try the upper section of the Swampy (above the picnic area), I've paddled the lower part of this over the summer and it's good fun. Paddle Australia description: http://adventurepro.com.au/paddleaustra ... mpyplains2

Short video of the Swampy:


There's great camping at either Tom Groggin or Geehi, of course.

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Post by Fishdejour » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:20 am

Craig, sorry about the delay getting back, busy weekend. The Indi (Upper Murray) looks like a good one for a mixed group. I think we should aim to do it on the Sunday? lower Thredbo on Saturday arvo.

Steve

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Post by Craig » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:16 am

Sounds good Steve. What time do you want to meet up on Saturday?

Btw, does anyone happen to have a spare raft lying around (long shot, I know)? One of my mates would be interested in coming if he could borrow/hire some gear.

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Post by Fishdejour » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:03 pm

Lets meet at the Gaden Hatchery at 12.30 on Saturday?It is only a short paddle of a few hours. How long do you think the Indi paddle would take on Sunday? A late morning start up there would give it a chance to warm up a bit....mabye :-)

I will ask around re a spare raft for your mate.

Steve

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Post by Craig » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:13 pm

12:30 suits me well, might be able to sneak in a quick ski in the morning :P

We can make the paddle on Sunday as short or as long as we want, so a late start time is fine. The river will always be liquid ice regardless of the time of day. A run from the top end of the picnic area down to the take out point would take 1.5 to 2hrs, so we could extend it if desired or do a couple of runs.

Are you guys planning on camping or staying in accommodation?

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Post by Fishdejour » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:36 pm

Sounds good, I think we should do the longer paddle on Sunday, start from the walk in point, if time allows we can slip in a second run or go a bit further. Lets see how cold we get on Saturdays paddle and base Sunday on that? Liquid ice is my favourite swimming temp...although Mathew has swum across lake Jinabyne in winter so he should be right :-)

I don't think we will camp as we are all too old and soft for cold climate camping, we might stay at a mates place or grab a van at Jindy, do you need accomadation too? It looks like there will be 5 of us all up. Did you manage to get a raft for your mate? I had no luck on the short call.

Steve

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Post by Craig » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:05 am

Agree that it's better to decide on Sunday's paddle after seeing how we perform on Saturday. The longer paddle appeals to me more, mainly because the walk in will warm up the wetsuit :)

If you've got a spare bit of floor area on Saturday night then I'm happy to stay with you guys, otherwise I'll camp out or stay with friends in Jindabyne.

Thanks for your efforts in chasing up a raft, I didn't have any luck either (as expected) so it'll just be me coming across.

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Post by Fishdejour » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:41 am

Craig, I sent you a PM with my mobile No.

Steve

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Post by Darren » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:24 am

Hangin for the TR lads.......Howditgo???

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Post by Fishdejour » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:37 am

Had a really fun weekend, 4 of us paddled lower Thredbo on Saturday arvo which was a bit of a dud paddle but still enjoyable, saw heaps of trout in the river. The lake was up so most of the better rapids were under water and it was a longer than expected lake paddle to the out point. Still a short gentle grade 1/almost 2 paddle worth a trip if your strapped for time or the sking is crap and you want a begginers paddle. Nothing challanging.

Saturday night we hit the bright lights of Jindy, had too many beers, some dodgy italian and heaps of laughs swapping adventure tales and generally goofing off.

Sunday we paddled the Indi, great little paddle with a very short car shuffle and lovely 2 km walk in. Continuous grade 1/2+ with one nice grade 3 drop over the 8 km stretch. A classic little packraft paddle worth doing on the snow melt. Would get too boney in summer but level was good with the melt. Bloody cold in the water (yes Mathew and I both took a swim). Thanks Craig for the pleasant company and excellent call and guidance on the river, really pleasant to meet up with one of the other forum paddlers. We should be doing more group paddles and sharing skills and tips.

Got hit with a very heavy snow storm coming back up and over Dead Horse Gap to Thredbo and ended up "parking" next to a creek in the middle of a snow field 80 meters off the road....no one hurt but a badly bruised ego for the driver, needless to say he stopped bagging us swimmers :-)

Video will be up soonish.

Steve

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Post by Craig » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:53 am

Yep it was a great weekend, thanks for organising it Steve. It was good to meet some fellow packrafters in the wild, particularly such good company.

It was worth doing the lower Thredbo just to see the trout, the water was swarming with them! The Indi went well, the level was 0.9m at Biggara. Plenty of options there, as there are multiple access points we can utilise. I'd be happy to run another trip there sometime, maybe next winter.

Sorry to hear that the drive home was more adventurous than it should have been. The weather was fairly intense on the western side, even at low elevations, so can only imagine what it was like for you guys heading over the top.

Hopefully we can get a few others down for the Tooma or something similar in a month or so!

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Post by Darren » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:53 am

Thanks!
Sounds like a great trip and sorry I couldn't make it. I was holding off due to being in snow mode for another month or so but look forward to some video action.

Glad to hear nobody was hurt while parking! Pretty gnarly conditions.

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Post by Fishdejour » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:32 am

I reckon we should do the Tooma trip first or second weekend in October?? Wadayareckon? Could do it in a day or add another creek on and make a weekend of it?

Here is the Horses Gap carpark....
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Post by Craig » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:12 am

I'm keen for the Tooma. The road opens on October 3, so how does the 8th/9th sound? Spent a bit of time thinking about other rivers today, it really depends how far we want to drive. The Yarrangobilly and the Eucumbene are the closest two that come to mind. If there's enough water I'd love to paddle the Yarrangobilly, apparently it's only grade 2 but the scenery down in the gorge is spectacular, and it has the added benefit of the thermal pool at the end to warm up in :)

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Post by Fishdejour » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:34 am

The weekend of the 22/23 is the only weekend I have available in October!! (I did not realise how booked up i was) but would love to do it then if possible. I have fished the Yarrangabilly a few times and it is a very scenic area, would be a pretty modest paddle as it is not much more than ankle to knee deep for much of the bubble sections. I reckon the Euc will be a goer by then. Perhaps we could walk to the first hut (forgot the name) on the Tooma track for the Saturday evening?

Steve

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Post by andrewallan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:03 pm

A bugger about the parking spot. How did you extract yourself from that?

We almost parked off the side of MT Hotham a few weeks ago. Slipped out on a corner at 10-15kph, and slid sidewards along the road for about 70m before straightening up. New trousers all round, as I presume it was in your car.

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Post by Craig » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:46 pm

I'm out for the 22/23 Steve, got an engagement party that weekend. November is looking pretty full up for me too, so will have to let you blokes enjoy the snowmelt on your own.

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